This conversation happened on the way back from town with Britswitch, and for some reason it has stayed with me. I'm in my mid(ish) 30s and Britswitch is late 20s and we were bemoaning the state of women's dress, or rather the lack thereof. After awhile I realised that I had turned into my grandmother.
My grandmother was born in the last century. She lived through two world wars, a poorly husband and four children. She lived by herself until she decided she'd had enough and in two weeks said her farewells, then died peacefully in her early 90s. She was a woman with impecable manners, amazing compassion and very clear views on the roles of men and women. That both my niece and I bear her name is a testament to the affection in which our family holds her.
She believed that women should dress modestly to the point where she could just about put up with my wearing shorts. She did not approve of nakedness, as she called it, in men or women. My brother or father going about without shirts was cause for tutting, though she did understand that it was necessary for doing manual labour in the hot tropical sun.
And this is where I am suffering from theory inconsistency. See, I believe that the human body is a beautiful thing, whether female or male. I am very much hetrosexual, but I do enjoy the sight of a beautiful woman walking by. But I really don't want to see all of it. At once. Groups of women wearing bikini tops and belts tottering around on chopstick heels, makes me channel my grandmother. At her best/worst she would tut and say 'they are asking for it'.
At the time, fired up by teenage rebellion and feminism I used to argue with her. 'Asking for what?' Women should be able to wear what they want, have a good time with their friends without fear of rape. My grandmother would look at me from the wisdom of her years and change the subject. I still believe this. Absolutely.
But I'm also beginning to believe she was right. There was a report issued by the police recently, I can't remember when or what it was called, but basically it looked into the phenomena of date rape. Contrary to popular belief, the most common drug used in date rape, is alcohol. A shocking percentage of women were so off their heads, they couldn't remember having sex, much less giving consent.
I find this shocking. So much so that Boy has had to put up with me lecturing him: a 'yes' from a drunk woman means 'no', put her down and take her home. He looks across at me, nods and points out he doesn't have a girlfriend. I believe in being a realistic parent. My job is to prepare him for the life that is to come, not the life I wish it would be.
And therein lies the problem that I have with this debate. Rape and sexual abuse are heinious crimes that are impossible to bring to justice (that's another rant for another day), I believe the effects never really wear off. I do wish we lived in a world where women could walk the streets wearing nothing but sparkles, drinking as much as they liked, without fear, but I would rather they were sober and safe.
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ReplyDeleteEvery summer the female students came into class with very low necklines and very short skirts.
I know I used to stare - that was bad enough - but the male teachers had real problems with where to put their eyes.
The girls could be very cruel to them if they so much as suspected they were showing too much interest.
Sometimes this can be a massive grey area.
ReplyDeleteWhat if both parties are drunk out of their skull as often happens? What's for one party to be able to get a 'no' clearly across, and the other party to be able to actually comprehend it?
I am sicked by the small percentage of women who cry 'rape' out of regret for a one-night stand - whose 'crying wolf' muddies the waters of the genuinely violated.
A 'no' should be observed full stop, however with the mixed signals both parties on the pull send out these days, plus the staggering ammount some drink, no wonder this is a highly charged and sometimes unclear issue.
The feminist in me says that women should be able to wear what they want and drink as much as they want without fear, but unfortunately that's not the society we live in nowadays.
ReplyDeleteWhilst there's no denying I enjoy a drink and I have been known to go out wearing a low cut top or short skirt (never at the same time tho' - my grandma taught me well - chest or legs never both!) ultimately my safety has to be paramount.
I believe it comes down to self-respect too - do you need to be off your head on vodka, with your bits hanging out to have fun?
Is fun more important than safe?
Whilst our grandma's woudl be horrified, I fear in today's permissive, live now, sod the consequences, do what you want, take what you can society, many think it is...
Very very difficult...
ReplyDeleteJust to add to the difficulty, I have a brother in law who was accused not just of rape, but sex with an under-age girl too ... it was pure bloody luck he was able to prove he was physically elsewhere - nearly 40 miles elsewhere - at the time of the alleged (and later proved non-existent) attack...in this case it was a 13 year old kid, (who had previously befriended his wife), who apparently had something to prove to her mother, who made the allegations.
Fortunately the allegations were proved totally groundless - within about three or four days...but sadly in that time (which my bro-in-law spent "inside") he lost his job, his good name, and ultimately his home (he was in the process of selling and ultimately had to sell up at far less than market value)...
The absolutely worst thing was there was absolutely no realistic redress, legal or otherwise, he could pursue...
I suspect today (nearly 25 years later) the same holds good...
I accept that over the years some rape victims have been very badly treated...it is a very difficult subject indeed... but until rape victims and subjects are treated equally sensitively, the injustice (either way) will continue...
Thanks for the time you spent contributing. Your comments have reasurred me that I'm not being lame, feeling confused and concerned about the subject.
ReplyDeleteYou've shown me that there are no easy answers and perhaps its enough that the debate exists. I do think taking more personal responsibility for your safety is a good thing. And Northern Monkey's and my grand mother would have got along just fine.
I agree with most of the comments above and would add that i try and think about one case at a time. When i stray into plurality on this issue is when my thoughts become unhelpful.
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